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A Place to Avoid
Published on October 9, 2007 By Jythier In Religion
Somebody think of the children. Somebody besides the Children's Ministry Director, because she doesn't know what she's doing.

I'm not against having a director without kids, but I am against a director without kids telling people with kids that their security concerns are ridiculous. I am against a director who makes rules for the older kids without specifying that it does not apply to the nursery and toddlers, such as no sippy cups allowed, no bringing in outside toys, etc. I am against a director who makes rules for the security of our kids, and then does not enforce them.

Every kid who comes in has a numbered tag. Every children's worker has a lanyard around their neck. The parents get a numbered tag to identify who is allowed to pick up the kids.

So everyone who should be down in the children's area has a tag or a lanyard. It is easy to identify someone who shouldn't be there.

So why don't we have anyone making sure people who do not belong are not there?

It's a great system but unless it is enforced, it is worthless. It was at one point suggested that we do not allow any parents by the classrooms (regulars) and just have ushers bring the kids to the individual classrooms. I thought that was a great idea, myself, if we're serious about security (I'm not, I think the whole thing is ridiculous, but others said we need security - those same people who won't inforce it), yet those who are 'serious about security' said it was ridiculous. I would volunteer to stand down there and check tags, if they wanted someone for that. I might even consider volunteering to be a children's ministry usher!

Also, it seems like they're trying to drive AWAY volunteers. As it stands, volunteers have to be to church 40 minutes before service starts. This is in order to have a 1 minute prayer with the other leaders. Then, go to the classrooms and wait around for 20 minutes until normal people start arriving. The entire thing is ridiculous. If you're late, they CALL YOU and WARN YOU about it. If you're late twice, the director calls you. And if you're late three times, you should "Prayerfully reconsider whether this is the right ministry for you."

Also, all these regulations came into effect the day after they asked for summer volunteers. I thought I'd only have to be there 30 minutes early. Nope, 40 minutes, and if I'm not there on time, I'll get a phone call. Well, hmm, I can 'prayerfully reconsider whether this is the right ministry' right now. Now who's going to take care of the babies? I try to do the children's ministry a favor, so they can have a summer off from serving, and they mess with me. See if I volunteer again. Except as a security guard. Because that would be fun.

Comments
on Oct 11, 2007
Wow. Seems a bit legalistic to me. Do you have a large church where security or safety is an issue?

We don't have anything like this. The nursery workers for SS hour are always the same couple. They have three children of their own. Their ministry is to take this very small class every week. Most parents of little ones don't go to SS anyhow. Sometimes it's just their three kids in there with them. Or actually two because the other, a 4 year old, is in his own SS class. I'm sure they come in just about 5 minutes to.

As for during the regular church service we have a rotating chart and the volunteers that go in there go in right after SS which is about 15 before the service starts.

Volunteers are hard to find. It seems as tho this should be kept in mind. They can pray on their own BTW.



on Oct 11, 2007
Every kid who comes in has a numbered tag. Every children's worker has a lanyard around their neck. The parents get a numbered tag to identify who is allowed to pick up the kids.


Pick up your kids just like your dry cleaning.   

~Zoo
on Oct 11, 2007
I would not go for that AT ALL. I am entitled to come get my child ANYTIME I WANT.

And no sippies? That's stupid. Wonder if they make nursing mothers nurse in the bathroom on a toilet in a stall?

on Oct 13, 2007
They actually have a nursing area on the way to the bathroom with a speaker so you can still hear the sermon, and they also have a nursing area in the nursery. The sippy cup rule does NOT apply to the nursery, of course, but it wasn't written that way in the handbook. It's like she forgets the nursery exists, except to tell the nursery workers, "Hey, don't you think we should turn off the overhead light?" "Hey, don't you think if I wanted to I would've? You come in and try to see in the crummy dim lights."

And you CAN get your child anytime, so long as you have the tags. After all, some mothers AREN'T allowed to get their children anytime they want. You know, court orders and such. A mother was actually playing with kids she was ordered not to see in the children's ministry because these policies were not enforced.

To KFC, yes! Huge church. Many many people. It creates a very different dynamic on everything - you have the people to do big things, but big things require security. People don't know everyone. It's not really encouraged, small groups are more encouraged for the real fellowship.
on Oct 13, 2007
Aaahhhh...so you wanted to vent, but not for anyone to agree with you? LOL.
on Oct 13, 2007
Well, I just hate for you to agree with me due to misconceptions...

Or maybe you're right, I don't know.
on Oct 13, 2007
Misconceptions based on what you wrote. I'm not a mind-reader (but I play one on TV).
on Oct 13, 2007
Clarifying makes rants bad, I think. Clarification in the comments is okay!
on Oct 14, 2007
Clarifying makes rants bad, I think.


It is becoming necessary for so many clarifications, that all an article can be is a definition of terms these days, lest someone be insulted somewhere.
on Jan 08, 2008
Update:

I love the way they charge for services at a church. "Oh, just a donation please."

Well, let's see, you just bought a curriculum for my child's class, and now you've bought another curriculum for my child's class, and you put in the bulletin that "Curriculums are expensive" and that you would appreciate a $5 donation per child.

Hmm.

Maybe you need to take that financial planning class they're offering.

Why don't you just post a sign that says, "No children" on the church so you can have it the way you seem to want it?
on Jan 08, 2008
Wow! Apparently all the workers at your church need to wear the sticker:

"Don't yell at me, I'm a volunteer".
on Jan 13, 2008
Curriculums are expensive" and that you would appreciate a $5 donation per child.


Hmmmmmm I wonder what they did in the "old" days when there was no curriculums?

Maybe they should just get back to basics. You know...pick up a bible and open to Genesis?
on Jan 15, 2008
Gasp! Learning about the Bible? How dry! Children will never want to learn about it that way!

Wow! Apparently all the workers at your church need to wear the sticker:

"Don't yell at me, I'm a volunteer".


It's the paid employees... the volunteers are great!