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A Comment on an Old Thread
Published on February 13, 2006 By Jythier In Religion
I recently read the entire threat of "So, I'm Going to Hell" by JillUser and most of the comments.
Since the rule of blogging seems to be to come up with a topic and go without knowing the answer quite yet, I'm just going to go with it. The question I am posing is, "Jesus is the exclusive point on what eternity will mean for any given person. Can I explain this without quoting the Bible?"

God loves us. He loves to show his love for us. He gets angry at us, but mostly because we tend to ignore him a lot. How hard do we have to work to ignore such a big, wonderful, loving God? Pretty hard, I think. Anyway, God tries and tries to get our attention throughout history. He sends prophets, and things don't go so well. He has his chosen people enslaved and nearly wiped out repeatedly, which gets their attention usually for a generation or two. So, he decides to do the last thing he can think of. He's going to send his own Son down here to tell us how much he loved us. He uses the prophets to tell us how to recognize him when he gets here, but he barely even needed to. When his Son gets here, his love can be felt by people. They follow him around.

Now, God knew what was going to happen. He knew when he sent Jesus that Jesus was going to die. He knew it was going to be horrible. But, God wanted to give us this gift. He could have horded it in heaven, but he wanted to prove to us that he really loved us and cared for us. So he sent Jesus, and he said some things that the Jewish leaders didn't want to hear. They didn't want to hear that works didn't matter, either, because that's all they had. "I'm a good person, I pray loudly on the street corner. Look at me, you can tell I'm fasting!" Jesus said it didn't matter. That you had to believe in Him, the Son of God, who would take the place of the sacrifices they used to have. They wanted to crucify him, and they did.

God could've made the plan something else. He could've just said, "Hey, believe in me and you're saved." How would that have shown his love? What would God have had to give for us in that situation? Nothing. He WANTED to give for us, and Jesus wanted to DO it for us. If you try to just go to God, he's not going to be impressed. "Why are you ignoring this gift I gave you? He's what I want for you!"

How could a parent do such a thing? Send his Son to die? He had to. It was to prove his love to you and I. He loved us that much, and so did his Son. Jesus had free will, too.

Before that, people were saved by faith in God. Then Jesus came and told us that it couldn't be like that anymore. We couldn't be saved without knowing Jesus, because we could not know God without him.

Anyway, that's why Jesus is the end all of Christianity. Because God wanted Him to be.

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on Feb 13, 2006
Not everyone on the planet is exposed to christianity. Does God play favorites with his children? Many christians say they have had encounters with Jesus. I have not. What if I were born in some remote jungle and never heard the name Jesus and never heard anything about the bible? Does that mean I have no chance for salvation?

Why would God need to prove his love to us? I don't prove my love to my children.

I understand why Jesus is the end all for christianity. That is obvious. I just don't believe christianity is the only way to God.

I am glad my old blog inspired you!
on Feb 13, 2006
I was hoping you would comment on this, Jill!

You pose such interesting questions. Does God play favorites? I don't know. I hope not, but at one point I also hoped that he would let me into heaven because I was a good guy. So hoping doesn't make it true.

I don't know what they mean by 'encounters with Jesus.' I don't think I've had one either.

If you were born in some remote jungle and never heard the name Jesus and never heard anything about the Bible, does that mean you have no chance? I'm not sure. It is my understanding (and again, hope) that the age limit is not just about age. You are not expected to know something that you can't possibly know, I hope.

Why would God need to prove his love? Because that's the kind of God He is! He wants you to know he loves you. He doesn't just want to say it, he wanted to show it. And I believe that you show your love to your children, as well. Maybe I used the wrong word. 'Show' instead of 'prove' sounds much better.

Thank you for being inspiring! Good luck with all your family stuff, I just started one of my own and it seems to be working out okay.
on Feb 13, 2006


Well see the problem I have with the Jesus dieing for thing is this.
God knew full well that his son would die and then come back to heaven, so in other words Jesus would pull a small stint down on earth to rally some people to his cause and all that and then shoot back to heaven in the end. So there was never really any critical fear of losing Jesus as far as god went.

I kind of think it was a lot to do about nothing since the story goes Jesus died and then went back to heaven.
Where was the real sacrifice? If he had died and had deliberately gone to hell for all eternity for all our sins then that would be something.

And what has Jesus been doing in the mean time? It's been 2000 years supposedly since he has pulled an appearance. Man what a gig he has.

on Feb 13, 2006
Jesus said it didn't matter. That you had to believe in Him, the Son of God, who would take the place of the sacrifices they used to have.

What an egomaniac!
on Feb 13, 2006
try to remember some of us deep believers in God and Gods word are not christians, I for one am a Jew and I seem to remember somewhere that we are Gods choosen people, { do not believe this btw} so by that rule of thumb unles you are a Jew you have no chance with GOD, I think anyone that humbles themselves before God and lives by the word of God is Gods choosen no matter what faith.
on Feb 13, 2006

Not everyone on the planet is exposed to christianity. Does God play favorites with his children? Many christians say they have had encounters with Jesus. I have not. What if I were born in some remote jungle and never heard the name Jesus and never heard anything about the bible? Does that mean I have no chance for salvation?

Actually, and you know I am not a fundamentalist, Jesus just said those exposed to his word.  So at the very least those not exposed, who are good and holy can achieve heaven even in non Pat Robertson worlds.

Now I will go back to being Catholic and welcome all of you into heaven - if I get there!

on Feb 13, 2006

I think anyone that humbles themselves before God and lives by the word of God is Gods choosen no matter what faith.

There are many paths.  But one destination.  You speak like the Harthesis(SP).  And very wise.

on Feb 13, 2006
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Monday, February 13, 2006I think anyone that humbles themselves before God and lives by the word of God is Gods choosen no matter what faith.There are many paths. But one destination. You speak like the Harthesis(SP). And very wise.


thanx doc, just more of the kinder MM.
on Feb 13, 2006

thanx doc, just more of the kinder MM.

No, part of the one and only who has always been MM.

on Feb 13, 2006
was hoping you would comment on this, Jill!


My pleasure.

. And I believe that you show your love to your children, as well. Maybe I used the wrong word. 'Show' instead of 'prove' sounds much better.


I show my love to my children in every day ways. That is why having to sacrifice his son never made sense to me. We can look around at what we have every day and be shown what is done for us by our creator.

Good luck with all your family stuff,


Right back at ya!
on Feb 13, 2006
I think anyone that humbles themselves before God and lives by the word of God is Gods choosen no matter what faith.


I like that a lot Modman.
on Feb 13, 2006
I kind of think it was a lot to do about nothing since the story goes Jesus died and then went back to heaven.
Where was the real sacrifice? If he had died and had deliberately gone to hell for all eternity for all our sins then that would be something.


An excellent point of view that I've never heard before.

Jesus just said those exposed to his word. So at the very least those not exposed, who are good and holy can achieve heaven even in non Pat Robertson worlds.


Doc, do you have a reference for that statement? I've heard this discussed many times in the past, but haven't heard that. Thanks in advance.
on Feb 13, 2006
Who said you couldn't be evil and go to heaven if not exposed to His word?

Also, his sacrifice had more to do with His actual death. Of course he wouldn't stay dead. Christians don't stay dead either. But he was willing to give up His life in such a horrible way... the beatings, the crucifixion, the blood everywhere...
on Feb 13, 2006
#11 by JillUser
Monday, February 13, 2006


I think anyone that humbles themselves before God and lives by the word of God is Gods choosen no matter what faith.


I like that a lot Modman.


why thank you jill, high praise, indeed.
on Feb 13, 2006
why thank you jill, high praise, indeed.


Gee Modman ~blushes~. I am flattered that my opinion holds such high regard from you. Your words represent a level of empathy, compassion and general love that I think is what it is all about. I think if your intent is to be appreciative of what God has given you and to honor him by living according to his example, you don't need to go to a church or accept any given organized religion. God will know and will accept you for how you have lived not by what you have preached.
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